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sportsfest2018-09-09 12:08 pm
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Remixed
Also, just in case anyone thinks I may have "dropped a filter" on anything please enjoy one of my layered Photoshop files.
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I just wanted to point out something I noticed about your response to Hayley's comment. I think Hayley's point about the remix round was that while we are doing remixes for points, the most important thing, especially in this fandom event, is to take op's work and make something new while still being thoughtful of op's intentions & enjoyment. Hayley mentioned that she didn't expect this type of art edit to be considered a remix, so the safest thing to do may have been to briefly check with op if they'd enjoy that or not, which would also save you, or any other remixer, time and energy! This isn't meant to devalue your work in any way, but it's just something to think about!
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However, coloring art was considered an acceptable remix. All I had to go on from her original art post was the words mafia. In my remix I put I was thinking they dressed like Mafia members and took commemorative photo. I spent over an hour adjusting the tone, trying to get the highlights right and working on the frame.
However to think someone feels you just slapped a filter on something, or didn't give any thought to it, or was insincere in your work pretty much feels like a slap in the face. I got a positive reaction to my other coloring fills so I didn't expect it to be an issue.
Every creator I know in this event who did a lot of fills worked truly hard and tried their best to create good content weather they did 2 remixes or 20.
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As a past participant in SASO who was on grandstand this year, I would like to offer my two cents about this assertion in particular. Last year, there was a lot of debate about how fills aren't gifts to the prompter; satisfying the prompter and making them happy should not be a requirement of creating a fill, the only requirement is that the fill be inspired by the content of the prompt. I created more than one fill in the past for a prompter who told me they did not like my work. I am sorry they didn't enjoy it, but my work did fulfill those prompts.
Remixes are not the same.
It is not a question of whether your remixed work is a gift to the original creator. The privilege of being allowed to remix the work is a gift that creator is giving to you. In my opinion, the burden should not be placed on the creator to make certain any would-be remixer knows what permission they have or have not been given. The burden should be on you, to verify that what you are doing is done with approval and within the bounds the creator is comfortable with, every time. Anything less is simply laziness and disrespect.
It was never a question of whether the effort that went into the work of your remixes was sufficient. It is a question of whether the effort that went into your communication was sufficient. It is a question of whether you are treating a fellow creator's work with the respect it deserves. Creating a remix is like being invited into someone's home and being allowed to make yourself comfortable and cook from their kitchen. You could prepare what you believe to be the most delicious feast in the world but if you are rude to your host, none of that matters. Your conduct matters more than your output.
To me, saying "I wasn't aware that remixes were gifts" is saying "this is about me and what you want doesn't matter." It is saying you should be allowed to take the original creator's work and use it however you like, in complete disregard of their feelings. I'm sure that isn't what you meant to communicate! But if you are handling someone else's dear and personal work and are told that they felt disrespected by the way you used their creations, I feel that is something you need to reflect on. It's less about you and your efforts, and more about how you treat other people.
I made a lot of remixes in the past. I approached multiple people directly for permission to remix their work, and contacted every person whose work I remixed with a link to my work, whether or not they had asked for it. While some prompters didn't love my fills, everyone I remixed for was kind and responsive and at the very least, really appreciated that I had made something for them. For me, a remix is a gift to the person being remixed. It's a thank-you for being allowed to riff on their creation because a remix is quite close to a collaboration, and it is very important to communicate with your collaborators so everyone is happy with the product that comes out of the work.
I understand that SASO/SF do not necessarily share the entirety of my opinions about remixes. But I feel very strongly about the importance of good communication and consideration toward your fellow creators. I know that if someone was remixing my work and said something like "this isn't a gift for you, so you should just appreciate how hard I worked," I would feel pretty insulted! Reading that line in your comment was quite blindsiding and hurtful to me, someone who hadn't even received one of your remixes. Really, my point is this: I feel it would behoove all SF participants to think of remixes a bit more like they are gifts, and to keep in mind that they are transforming the work of another person whose feelings are a factor in that equation.
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Absolutely nothing was indicated that she didn't appreciate coloring of her image and I was blindsided by finding this out after the event in the talk back. Again she could have messaged me - or had a mod message me. My intent was to make something nice for her because I like and enjoy her art.
I give have nothing but full respect for other creators and their works. but hey thanks for your two cents.
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I'm not talking about a specific fill or person here. No one's calling you an art thief, or insincere. I never said anything to you on twitter because you put effort into it. It was already done. I had seen it already, and asking you to delete it wouldn't make either of us feel better. And I meant it when I thanked you for checking about posting to social media - but I wondered why it was done after the act and not before.
After changing permissions, I wasn't about to message everybody who remixed me to delete their work? They made those things with good intentions - no matter how it was going to be received.
I didn't bring this issue out to call out a single person, but talk generally using my own experience as an example. My intent was for any mod to reconsider putting remix permissions in multiple places as a preventative measure. That way we could avoid any headache.
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Hopefully there is a solution for remixes that doesn't upset original creators or overly stress out people wanting to create remixs for others. I meant it when I said I'm a fan of your art and I have nothing but the highest respect for it.
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The only other thing I will say is that being taken to task about something that isnt even in the rules and something that a group of people arbitrarily decided is upsetting for someone like me who has never participated in an event like this. How is someone like me supposed to know this stuff when it isnt even in the rules? All because YOU decided that's how it should be?
If this is indeed the situation then it needs to be in the rules.
I'm so angry that I'm shaking. This is NOT how I expected to feel when I decided to participate in this event.
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If any of these comments have made you feel called out, then perhaps you know you've done something to upset the other person. And in that case, it's not up to you to decide how valid the person's hurt is. Perhaps you only had good intentions, but it doesn't change the fact that you've hurt someone. You can accept that you've hurt them and apologise, and hopefully strive to do better next time.